Content-Type: BBCode Note that 5 (for SSDs) & 10 sec boot times are for 'Reference Hardware' and don't mean that's what you will get. And no, they are not pulling a MS, Reference Hardware is just a set config they used to time against while working on boot times. Re Pidgin; It was discussed for a year before (and kept in Jaunty) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pidgin+empathy+ubuntu, but I do agree. It seems like they took the Fedora "We'll put it in and they'll finish building it" line on this one...